How to boot up your pc for the first time

my problem is the monitor, keyboard, or mouse are getting power

Okay i already looked at that but i tried the very last thing and pulled every piec of ram out nothing happened. I put one back in and as soon as it is in the computer turns off and i cant get to come back on

case=nzxt 410 phantom Cpu=i5-3570k motherboard=asus z77 sabertooth ram=16gb (4x4) corsair vengence Dvd=Lite-on internal dvd writer Gpu= gtx 670 ftw Evga Psu=corsair 750w moudlar power supply wireless card=asus pce-n15 ssd=m4 crucial 256gb hdd= seagate barracuda cpu cooler=antec 620 kuhler

plus two led 140mm fan

Can you Describe the issue you are having. Dont give us i turn everything on and what not, now what do i do? thats kinda vague, Like have you installed the operating system, Are all the Cables attached properly, Are you getting a picture on your display? things like that

all my cables are attached the fans are spining on the case and on the graphics card but i am getting no display from using different monitors and then i read thing about taking stuff like the ram to see if it beeps or anything like that. I pulled all the ram and nothing happened then i put a piece of ram it made this kind of a happy squeal then it turned off. now i can not get to turn on whatever i do. and i plugged in my head phones and they worked using the front i/o but nothing was working on the rear i/o. I'm sorry i was vague i'm just kind of stressed. Since i have no picture i can't go to bios or install windows really. but everthing seems to be working if it spins or did.

Looking through the guide is less than following it step by step, standoffs, power cables, ... all important stuff.
Presuming everything is assembled and connected correctly and there is a case speaker attached to the motherboard then you should get ram beeps when no ram installed. If no beeps bad board.

i guess i have a dead mother board but when it was on it was having a green stand by power light on it

ok then thank you for the help

Intel i5 3570k is a good processor
gtx 660ti is comming out at the same price as a 570 but similar or better preformance to the 580

Thanks ScrewySqrl! Chances are I will use that!

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You could easily go with a 120GB ssd and save some money. OCZ has one for $85 @ newegg.

Also might wanna look at the GTX 570 I believe it is.

You could easily go with a 120GB ssd and save some money. OCZ has one for $85 @ newegg.

Also might wanna look at the GTX 570 I believe it is.

The i7 build will give more performance and (from what I can tell) is better value. The performance boost mainly comes from the GPU, not the CPU. If you can only get them in these pre-made configurations, the i7 build will do better.

If you can customize it, swap the 7850 into the i5 build, you will see the same performance in games for less cash.

Yes the I7 is worth the euro 50 more price just because of the GPU upgrade.

thanks, i will get the i7 build.

can you edit and do a mix of the two.?

What about motherboards, Can you swap out for an ASRock Z77 Extreme4

No, unless i build my own pc.
Are there any known problems with that motherboard that you would recommend me another one?

nah i just thought the Extreme4 would be cheaper

By the way I have a tv tuner card hvr-2250

Follow the build advice sticky next time

Xfire or single, all on you. Sometimes, Xfiring two mid-end cards give the performance of a beast video card. (7970 or a card like that.)

Hey there, It is always advised to get a single video card if you can get anywhere near the price/performance level that you want with it. Crossfire software has improved a ton, but still simply has more challenges than a single card - including more heat and etc. The PSU seems to be out of stock. You don't really need a PSU that large anyhow - even for crossfire. Id suggest the Seasonic X650 gold as a way to maintain the same level of quality - just cutting 100w. (I have it - its a fantastic and silent PSU)

Finally .. do a quick scan of the deal sites (techbargains/logicbuy/etc) and newegg newsletters. You should be able to get some rebates lowering prices. In particular, I think that you should be able to find the 128gb Crucial M4 for $89-99. 64gb is barely large enough for a boot drive and not a size I would go with in a higher end build.

Never Never Never buy 2 low end cards. Spend the $300 and buy a 570 ti or something similiar. Also get a western digital hard drive, their warranties last a whole lot longer than anyone else.

You also might want to look at the Asrock z77 Extreme 4 motherboard, Scored the highest in its class.

I bought the motherboard already..

Ok I will get one card. The corsair I just bought used for $60

Nice build. My thoughts (since u asked) 1. Microcenter has great sales on 3570k & MOBO for just under $300 with tax 2. May want to consider ASRock Z77 Extreme 4 3. I would not go below 120 GB SSD ( I love my intel 180 GB !!) 4. 3570k for over clocking, but not CPU cooler. If not overclock i would not get a 'k'

5. I would go for the HD 7850 (x2 if you got the cash). If you don't have the cash, I'd buy one and wait for the other - there's always Christmas

Good Luck !

I bought the motherboard already..

Ok I will get one card. The corsair I just bought used for $60

Good deal on the PSU! I'm not sure the exact warranty terms but you should look them up - that Corsair should still be covered.

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey

Instead of buying an Asus board (they are expensive as all hell) Buy a AS Rock Z77 Extreme4 for 114.99 off newegg knock down your ram to 8gb ram As For SSD i would get a Crucial M4 128GB

^^ I looked at the AS Rock Z77 Extreme6, largely based on a review at Tom's Hardware. Performance and cost was very close to the P877 V Pro. I went with the ASUS due to the Intel LAN. However, if I remember correctly AS Rock had Broadcom so will look at the Extreme4. If the performance is substantially the same thats a pretty good chunk towards the SSD. Any thoughts out there on the other questions?

AMD good or bad? Video Card question? RAM speed worthwhile?

Ram speed should be 1600Mhz at 9-9-9-24 timings,
And for the Video Card, normally people upgrade that. Depending on Budget you can get a better one between 100-250

^^ That RAM speed is what I had picked out. The video card question was whether the on board GPU was better / worse than the 3.5 Yr old 9800 GTX that I had. Right now I dont need more than the 9800 that I've got but was curious whether it was worth installing the older card in favor of the GPU that comes in an i5.

Thanks again.

I stopped using Integrated Graphics when I moved from my Athlon xp 64 bit. So i wouldnt know the spec on integrated. Im sure its probs better then the 9800 but that was a solid card for its time

Resurrecting this one to see if anyone has thoughts on the still open questions or if there are any thoughts in general. Specifically: 1. AMD / Intel dilema, between the chips I mentioned. 2. The Memory speed questions.

3. Will my older 9800 GTX+ card be bettter or worse than the integrated GPU?

Go with Intel for the Video Encoding, Ram Speed is fine, and the Onboard Graphics might be better for you

The monitor is like every single monitor. You won't notice a difference between any of the lower budget monitors.

i plan to run the current shooters and popular games like skyrim mw3 and bf3 so i know there will be some limits to my setup

Well, I have an extremely similar rig to yours and mine runs skyrim at ultra. All i would recommend is to get the 965 be that i mentioned.

Well, I have an extremely similar rig to yours and mine runs skyrim at ultra. All i would recommend is to get the 965 be that i mentioned.

Get the AMD Phenom II X4 965

Asus VE228H 21.5"

MSI R7870 Twin Frozr

G.SKILL Sniper 8GB

oh wow i didnt even notice that DeusAres good catch I would've said the same thing lol

I would do that but i already have windows ultimate i have for a while plus i got it for free from my brother which is why that wouldnt help their. I will end up upgrading my gpu in the future but this is my first gaming rig and i dont want to blow all my cash away

Well what you have besides the processor will do you good! Also, I would think about getting 500GB harddrive instead of a 320GB unless you are really good at saving storage space.

Thanks so much for the build, do you think 2 670's could destroy any game out there? Anyway now for the fun part time to build

1 can destroy any game out there 2 will be a dream.

Do you need a Monitor/Keyoard/Mouse/Speakers? I'm gonna build a config assuming you don't.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bIzl

Can you elaborate more on what games, what you need, how many monitors, what resolution, etc?

At that point I would personally go up to an lga 2011 system with a 3930k. I'm not one to splurge on a case when you can get a rosewill r5 for $70. Also mastrom101's ram selection is much closer to what I'd buy, when you have that much headroom why buy 1600mhz?

The LGA 2011 platform has more longevity, but the 3930K is $300 more.

At that point I would personally go up to an lga 2011 system with a 3930k. I'm not one to splurge on a case when you can get a rosewill r5 for $70. Also mastrom101's ram selection is much closer to what I'd buy, when you have that much headroom why buy 1600mhz?

We don't exactly have much detail though.

The LGA 2011 platform has more longevity, but the 3930K is $300 more.

Yah the case should be under $100 imo.

Two overclocked GTX 670's will play any game on Ultra for the foreseeable future.

Not for gaming. If this were a photo / video editing rig I'd say definitely. But for games stick with Z77.

Yah the case should be under $100 imo.

wouldn't you prefer more/faster RAM, a beefier CPU, a faster SSD, And/or a more reliable hard drive rather than a shiny case?

One thing everybody is "not thinking" about when building gaming PC is a good monitor! I'd go with 30" 2560x1600 or 27" 2560x1440. I would not recommend SLI or CF it makes a lot of noise and heat...I suppose you would be better of with 4gb ovr'c GTX 680.

wouldn't you prefer more/faster RAM, a beefier CPU, a faster SSD, And/or a more reliable hard drive rather than a shiny case?

No bcuz i5-3570k is the fastest gaming CPU atm, 1333Hz is as fast as you need for gaming and for 2700$ you still can get a crucial M4 of 512gb.

One thing everybody is "not thinking" about when building gaming PC is a good monitor! I'd go with 30" 2560x1600 or 27" 2560x1440. I would not recommend SLI or CF it makes a lot of noise and heat...I suppose you would be better of with 4gb ovr'c GTX 680.

I had 670 SC gtx sli and now I run with a 680 SC gtx sli and no the 680gtx just not worth it. Its less then 5% increase for +100$. And its mostly around 2% in most benchmark.

No bcuz i5-3570k is the fastest gaming CPU atm, 1333Hz is as fast as you need for gaming and for 2700$ you still can get a crucial M4 of 512gb.

To be honest, I can't even think of a system that is that expensive, you would have so much money left if I did O-o
Sorry I couldn't help :c

2 will not just destroy, they will dominate.

yeah a single 670 would be more than enough for games like metro 2033 or bf3 at max settings

you may want 2 670s if you are using a 120hz monitor or your doing 3d

I7's are horribad for Games, It may even hinder Game Performance due to hyperthreading, you are better off just using the i5 3570k and oc that to 4.3 or 4.5 (Im having troubles with games at 4.5Ghz for some unknown reason or it might be my SSD)

All in all get the i5 save some money to spend it somewhere else, 2 670's will destroy everything.

you could buy a i7 and just turn off hyper-threading like what i would do and turn it back on when you need it

but these are people that dont know how to do this (sorry if I am wrong) but not everyone has that knowledge, and people like me (forgetful) may not remember to turn it back on

its pretty much easy as going into the bios and clicking something that says "hyperthreading"

yeah i guess so but turning on hyper-threading wont really impact games by a large margin (tops 3-5fps. sometimes it might increase fps)

i5 3570k 229.99 on newegg.com Asrock Z77 Extreme4 114.99 on newegg.com

Keep your current specs just upgrade the Processor and motherboard

what you have now is pretty much the best. Unless you get a 1100T 6-core

Generally, MMOs are going to rely more on cpu power. I don't think you will be satisfied with your gaming experience with an AMD processor. A i3 + mobo runs around $180, and i5 + mobo is $230-300.

Okay, so say I have a little bit to spend on this switch over to the intel world and I wanted the i5 at least. Which i5 should I go with and what's a pretty nice mobo for it? I'd say budget being about $500-ish?

i5 3570k 229.99 on newegg.com Asrock Z77 Extreme4 114.99 on newegg.com

Keep your current specs just upgrade the Processor and motherboard

Okay, so say I have a little bit to spend on this switch over to the intel world and I wanted the i5 at least. Which i5 should I go with and what's a pretty nice mobo for it? I'd say budget being about $500-ish?

i5 3570k (get this one if you're going to overclock only)

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Sweet; Thank you guys so much for the help. This has always been my favorite go-to site.

It will fit if you use the 2nd and 4th from the left slots (which is still a dual channel config). I have that board and heatsink with similar RAM. You will have trouble fitting a stick into the far left slot, so low profile RAM may be needed if going to 16GB is a possibility. Also, get the 212 EVO, not the 212+. The EVO has smoother/flatter baseplate which helps in primarily in cooler idle temps, but can be seen under load as well.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/cm_hyper212_evo/

I'd have trouble fitting a stick in far left slot. Is that with the cooler pushing air up or out the back? 'Cause I've seen a lot of posts about it fitting with the cooler blowing towards the back, but I'm just not sure.

Stock setup is this, fan is on the right side (toward the RAM) pushing air through the heatsink and out the back of the case. That's the way I'v got mine configured. The fan can be moved to the other side of the unit so that it pulls air through the heatsink, instead of pushing (you will have to flip the fan in its mounting bracket, its pretty simple to do). That should free up the far left RAM slot.

If you mounted it so it was blowing up, I suspect it would block the far left slot anyway, it is quite wide.

I'd have trouble fitting a stick in far left slot. Is that with the cooler pushing air up or out the back? 'Cause I've seen a lot of posts about it fitting with the cooler blowing towards the back, but I'm just not sure.

Thanks alot!

Well I can say that it probably won't fit underneath the cooler as I have the AREA and it is just about sitting right on top of it

yeah if you plan to populate all the ram slots, you will have to mount the fan on the left side instead of the stock right

i would buy that ram but it would look awkward with my gskill snipers

vegeance ram doesnt fit under the hyper 212 evo. only 2 sticks will fit unless you move the fan on the cooler to the left side for the solid state drive, if the sandisk is cheaper than the samsung 830 or the crucia m4 128gb, get it you dont need such efficentcy, just get something like a xfx xxx 750w. they sell for 112.99 at us.ncix

for the motherboard, either get the z77x-ud5h or the z77-v PRO. one has more hardware features while the other has more software features

if your not goung to overclock drop the "K" and get yourself a 3770

if it doesnt, the board wouldnt have worked

What resolution are you playing at? If it is 1920x1080, then a single card would be enough to max out those games. Something like this:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dzbW

The i5 3570k would be sticking around for a long time. Just overclock your CPU to make it last longer. I added a great CPU cooler in the build which should allow you to OC up to about 4.5 GHz or so.

*ehem* 680 in SLI will beat any GPU. OP can afford since he has $2000 to spend.
And as l0v3rboi said, SSDs are trending and you would wanna get one with a budget like that.

Best answer selected by dawnguard.

Get an Antec Earthwatts EA500 instead.

If you only gonna stick to single GPUs all the way my choice would be the Seasonic M12II 520 ^^

yeah i would get the m12ii 520w from seasonic. they sell for 59.99 but it costs a lot for shipping at newegg. you can price match it at us.ncix.com and they ship it for free

Id grab a Radeon HD 6870 over the 7770. It should put you right at the 600 mark for the budget and it will perform alot better.

You really should upgrade monitor as well, 1280x1024 is the standard resolution from over 10 years ago, not to mention it would be a large waste of graphics horsepower. Also, ive been playing wow since 2005 and two thing: 1. Intel plays wow 50% better than amd at the same price points, sometimes even more. If you just play wow on your PC, do not even consider buying an amd product. 2. Nvidia cards play wow better than amd, but not as much of a difference as the intel vs amd above. For example a gtx 465 plays wow about equal to a radeon 6950, which by specs and cost they are not in the same tier.

Thanks alot for the input. So what would be the recommended Nvidia card to replace the ones suggested above?

Also what would be a good monitor for about a $100 bucks or so?

Those would be the equivalent nvidia cards? So nvidia is more expensive for comparable cards?

If you're playing nothing but WoW it would be an epic mistake to buy AMD/ATI graphics.

Look at some benchmarks on toms. Nvidia is always better than AMD/ATI on WoW, and not by a small margin either - its very significant.

after doing a little reading, i do not play WoW, you will take a hit in fps during 25 man raids. but overall you ought to be able to have a nice constant 60+fps with that set up.
(something about lowering particles will help during the raids)

after doing a little reading, i do not play WoW, you will take a hit in fps during 25 man raids. but overall you ought to be able to have a nice constant 60+fps with that set up.
(something about lowering particles will help during the raids)

Okay so the price point may be worth it then. Good to know! I am not a gamer, so all this stuff is news to me. I really do appreciate all the help!

I have to replace the motherboard at the one suggested it out of stock now and only had 50/50 reviews with alot of DOAs. Was looking at this one. I have $80-85 bucks left to play with total, as I bought everything else at stand right around $515 so far. I was looking at this one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Dont get a K chip if not OCing.

Everything looks fine!

However, if you aren't going to overclock, maybe you should take into consideration an i5-3550 CPU, it's a little bit cheaper

Though one disadvantage to picking the 3550>3570 would be it's lower clock speed. Since you won't overclock, you may want to choose the 3570k just because of it's higher clock speed.

The performance difference of the higher clock speed isn't worth the much higher price - go for 3450 if not overclocking. Why don't you link us the site you're buying from?

The performance difference of the higher clock speed isn't worth the much higher price - go for 3450 if not overclocking. Why don't you link us the site you're buying from?

That's true, only a 200Mhz difference if I remember correctly... :lol:

hm, thats true , it might be better idea to get 3450, much cheaper, i could even get 7870 maybe if i took 3450 and a bit cheaper case. i am buying in switzerland, this is store's site. http://www.steg-electronics.ch/ (their site is on german/italian/french + prices in CHF)

thanks for replies, i am hoping for more of you guys to help me out.

I think that you should definetly go with the 3450 and save that extra money. And if your not a hardcore gamer (playing 5 or 6 hours a day, always on max settings) I would stick with the 7850. You might want to check out the MSI Radeon HD7850 Twin Frozr 2GB OC or the Sapphire Radeon HD7850 2GB OC as i have read many good reviews about them in terms of coolness, quietness and performance. I also think you could save some money with your motherboard and get the ASRock H77-PRO4-MVP motherboard. Has more features for a cheaper cost. They are just a couple of areas you could save some money in, and I dont recommend going cheaper with your case as keeping your parts in a good airflow machine is very important!

Enjoy your new build!

I realize I failed to answer the original question. Are you gaming at 1080p? Adding a second 1GB 6950 would destroy any current game, and if you got a used one (there aren't that many new 1GB models that I can find) you could probably get it for around $150--that's a big upgrade for a low price. Since the video card is the biggest determinant of game performance, that's probably your best bet if you want to upgrade right now. If you're above 1080p or are just itching to get a new card, the 7950 is a great choice. But I don't think I would recommend getting one right now. Things may change, both in pricing and in terms of what seems like the best card, when the 660 Ti comes out. Better to wait if that's your plan.

Meanwhile, your processor is fine; no point in upgrading that yet for game performance. It will make virtually no difference, especially given your overclock.

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey

got a SSD? if not get one of them instead, or as well as.

i tend to upgrade when i start getting stuttering or fps drops. with your setup you should not be having that happen, making an upgrade a bit pointless. - unless you have money to burn.

got a SSD? if not get one of them instead, or as well as.

i tend to upgrade when i start getting stuttering or fps drops. with your setup you should not be having that happen, making an upgrade a bit pointless. - unless you have money to burn.

That i do not have! I was actually looking into buying a 128gb patriot wildfire for 185 dollars. As for the other upgrades i guess you're right, the upgrade would be pointless, just bf3 tends to have sudden frame drops for a split second, unless the gpu is oced via afterburner. Another 6950 would solve that. Do you think its worth getting an i7 970 though? seen quite a few for cheap so was wondering if that would be a good investment.

I suggest getting another 6950. SSDs are honestly in my opinion for those who are impatient. Me, I don't mind waiting a couple extra seconds. And I'm always down for the better Graphics.

This is for gaming, right? What's your resolution? In general I think you should upgrade if you're dissatisfied with your framerate or settings or whatever. But how you should best upgrade depends on your resolution. For 1080p @ 60Hz, a second 1GB 6950 could be a good choice. But I think I'd probably wait a little while and grab a next-gen card at a lower price. 1GB of VRAM is the past, not the future, and the 6950 is still plenty fast for me for now.

(Your processor is fine for now--gaming performance is far more affected by GPU than CPU anyway.)

The computer is used for gaming 50% of the time, photoshop, video editing and the normal stuff like fb, hotmail, uni work the other 50% of the time. Yea i was considering a new 6950, my current one plays all games at 1080p without a problem, apart from bf3 which lags from time to time (no biggie). Im running 1080p 60hz via hdmi. But yea im leaning more towards another 6950, few 2gb ones on ebay for 150 second hand.

I did a bit of an experiment earlier and underclocked my cpu to 1.5 ghz, played bf3 and it made no difference what so ever, still 100% playable on max settings. Did the same test on gta4, however that was not playable at all on 1.5ghz. Anti analysing and msaa was on max for both games, guess the cpu malinly focuses on artificial intelligence than everything else. Either that or bf3 wasnt coded to utilise the cpu

if your getting an SSD id say Samsung 830, damn fast. - same price as the competition. i'd wait for the graphics card price drop that'll be happening soon if i were you.

as for the cpu, no point unless your running 3 way sli or xfire.

Well if you wait another few weeks (probably), the next round of nvidia mid-range cards will be out--the 650 and the 660 Ti. They may be great cards, and they'll also probably cause some downward price pressure on the 7850 and 7870, which are already good cards and pretty decent values (especially the 7850).

For comparing current cards, it's generally more useful to use the anandtech benchmark I linked above than the Tom's hierarchy chart. Nothing wrong with the chart, but it's less detailed. (Note though that the anandtech benchmark may be based on an older set of drivers, which means that new cards may be better than that bench has them at.)

I saw a few benchmarks using the anandtech benchmark on the 7850 and 7870, they seem to have very similar fps to my current 6950, also has a similar price tag. Another 6950 seems to be a better investment at the moment. But i will wait another month and see if anything changes. As for now ill purchase that SSD. 120gb should be enough you reckon? Just for the operating systems and mainstream programs (not games)

im willing to spend 200 max on a ssd, ive seen a few from new egg but the bad reviews turn me off. Alot of people seem to have problems with the ssd's firmware etc, rather purchase it retail so i can return it quick and easy if i have problems. Leaning towards the wildfire due to its high benchmark score, but Samsung has caught my eye as well, i also love intels reliability on their ssds, Mushkin offer very cheap prices on their ssds, i saw a 240gb for 200 on amazon and new egg. Might do a little more research before i pick one, but i have been wanting the wildfire for a while. Honestly ive confused myself

Depends on how many games you play and how much media you have sitting around, but you COULD conceivably just have a single 240 GB SSD, or that and whatever ancient hard drive you have from an old build for music. 240 is enough for a fair number of games, especially if you're using steam or similar and are wiling to uninstall old stuff you're not playing any more.

Also, I'll make a point they've made in SSD reviews here--the biggest difference is between HAVING an SSD at all and not having one. The gap in performance among the "good" SSDs isn't that large as a ratio, but it's also not that much in terms of real-world time--we're talking fractions of a second for most daily uses. So I think benchmarks are less important for SSDs than for GPUs and CPUs, where the performance gaps show up in game frames.

@verbalizer - Yea i know exactly what you mean, guess its good to have that extra space if you need it though. like those one or 2 games you frequently play @motorneuron - You are absoloutly right, i didnt consider how much those benchmarks would mean in real time. Ill probs go for storage space over benchmark score in that case. Cheers for the input guys!

Ive asked too many questions, hard to determine the best answer since i have a fair few good answers.

I realize I failed to answer the original question. Are you gaming at 1080p? Adding a second 1GB 6950 would destroy any current game, and if you got a used one (there aren't that many new 1GB models that I can find) you could probably get it for around $150--that's a big upgrade for a low price. Since the video card is the biggest determinant of game performance, that's probably your best bet if you want to upgrade right now. If you're above 1080p or are just itching to get a new card, the 7950 is a great choice. But I don't think I would recommend getting one right now. Things may change, both in pricing and in terms of what seems like the best card, when the 660 Ti comes out. Better to wait if that's your plan.

Meanwhile, your processor is fine; no point in upgrading that yet for game performance. It will make virtually no difference, especially given your overclock.

I realize I failed to answer the original question. Are you gaming at 1080p? Adding a second 1GB 6950 would destroy any current game, and if you got a used one (there aren't that many new 1GB models that I can find) you could probably get it for around $150--that's a big upgrade for a low price. Since the video card is the biggest determinant of game performance, that's probably your best bet if you want to upgrade right now. If you're above 1080p or are just itching to get a new card, the 7950 is a great choice. But I don't think I would recommend getting one right now. Things may change, both in pricing and in terms of what seems like the best card, when the 660 Ti comes out. Better to wait if that's your plan.

Meanwhile, your processor is fine; no point in upgrading that yet for game performance. It will make virtually no difference, especially given your overclock.

Sorry about all the questions, clearly im noob at whats the best and latest.

Best answer selected by azed3000.

750 should be sufficient if your PSU is a good brand and if you aren't OCing the 6950s much. (The OC on the processor won't be a big power draw, relative to the two video cards.) 2x 6950s should handle 1080p @ 120 Hz well, too. Be sure to check game-by-game compatibility though; some people prefer nvidia for 3D.

(Also, as you probably know, you can crossfire the 1GB 6950 with a 2GB 6950, but the 2GB card will only use half its memory, so you still get effectively 2x 1GB. So just get whatever you can find for cheap.)

Alright that settles it, another 6950 and an ssd it is! Oh i didnt know that, thought it would use the full 2gb, ahh well cant complain, still would be pretty decent. Ive heard the nvidia was really good in 3D gaming, even the old gtx580. Anyways cheers for the help guys! appreciate it a lot.

Be rid of the H100, and get a Hyper 212 Evo or Noctua Dh-14.
I dont think your motherboard is Triple Channel, so you should only buy 2 x 8GB of RAM. Edit: or 4 x4GB.

I was just going with 12GB because I felt like it. I can probably go down to 8GB, nothing over 12GB for now at least and I can buy more RAM when I feel like it is needed. I am really not sure about the cooling, I heard that liquid cooling was easy to install and manage... I am currently looking at reviews and things for H100, and NF-D14.

Thanks.

triple channel memory doesnt work well. either you get 8gb or 16gb

liquid cooling isnt really worth it unless you are over 2 120mm rads. h100+ 2 nf-f12 fans rack you up 140 dollars while the d14 is 80 bucks

triple channel memory doesnt work well. either you get 8gb or 16gb

liquid cooling isnt really worth it unless you are over 2 120mm rads. h100+ 2 nf-f12 fans rack you up 140 dollars while the d14 is 80 bucks

I actually think I meant the D14 and not the F12. Forgot to proof read. I think I will just go with the D14 because it does seem like it can really cool your CPU down with the 6 inches of fans

just remember it will dwarf any atx board

just remember it will dwarf any atx board

Ok I fixed the config so now it has a NH-D14 and 8GB of ram, and thanks for telling me that Triple Channels doesn't work well so I don't accidentally buy 4GB more of RAM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/duGp

EDIT: The H100 had number (90.2 I believe) and the D14 has (65.0), what is the difference with that number, does a lower number mean less cooling power?

Ok I fixed the config so now it has a NH-D14 and 8GB of ram, and thanks for telling me that Triple Channels doesn't work well so I don't accidentally buy 4GB more of RAM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/duGp

EDIT: The H100 had number (90.2 I believe) and the D14 has (65.0), what is the difference with that number, does a lower number mean less cooling power?

Yes it will fit, although you will probably $#%$ a brick when you see it. The H100 is about...3c cooler than air cooling. You also run the risk of something breaking or worse leaking. If this happens your looking at hardware damage. If the DH-14 breaks...well...lets face it if the DH-14 breaks then you took a hammer to your computer, and you have many many many more issues than a broken computer...

Yes it will fit, although you will probably $#%$ a brick when you see it. The H100 is about...3c cooler than air cooling. You also run the risk of something breaking or worse leaking. If this happens your looking at hardware damage. If the DH-14 breaks...well...lets face it if the DH-14 breaks then you took a hammer to your computer, and you have many many many more issues than a broken computer...

Yeah leaking would be really bad with liquid cooling and I definitely don't want that. But what do you mean when you say that if the DH-14 breaks I will be taking a hammer to my computer. You mean if it falls out of its place?

keep in mind that the h100 sounds like jet engines

they cool about the same. i bought a d14 since it was 40 bucks. the mounting is easy and pretty secure

keep in mind that the h100 sounds like jet engines

they cool about the same. i bought a d14 since it was 40 bucks. the mounting is easy and pretty secure

Ok, now I feel confident about the D14's

And thanks for saving me $200

So otherwise my computer is good to go?

Yeah leaking would be really bad with liquid cooling and I definitely don't want that. But what do you mean when you say that if the DH-14 breaks I will be taking a hammer to my computer. You mean if it falls out of its place?

keep in mind that the h100 sounds like jet engines

they cool about the same. i bought a d14 since it was 40 bucks. the mounting is easy and pretty secure

Yes, the H100, DH14, and Hyper 212 Evo all cool at nearly the same temps. The only real difference in the DH14 and 212 is the price. Any of these coolers will get you the same overclock with identical temps across the board. It mostly comes down to personal preference. I personally wanted to pay $20 instead of alot more for a part that is of the same quality and do the same job. I used the extra money to get a ssd.

Not even. The DH-14 cant break unless you physically beat on it.

Yes, the H100, DH14, and Hyper 212 Evo all cool at nearly the same temps. The only real difference in the DH14 and 212 is the price. Any of these coolers will get you the same overclock with identical temps across the board. It mostly comes down to personal preference. I personally wanted to pay $20 instead of alot more for a part that is of the same quality and do the same job. I used the extra money to get a ssd.

Great thanks

lets see the specs once more to be sure

get what i suggested instead. 1: the 5 year warranty on wd drives isnt worth 100 dollars. a seagate 2tb is only 109.99 2: there isnt any advantage of 1866mhz memory. get regular 1600mhz ram like i suggested 3: there are cheaper crucial m4 256gb drives. the one i suggested is in my current rig and it is great 4: get asus 670s. better cooling (much better). you only need 1 for 1080p gaming 5:like i suggested, the xfx xxx 750w is cheaper and just as good

get what i suggested instead. 1: the 5 year warranty on wd drives isnt worth 100 dollars. a seagate 2tb is only 109.99 2: there isnt any advantage of 1866mhz memory. get regular 1600mhz ram like i suggested 3: there are cheaper crucial m4 256gb drives. the one i suggested is in my current rig and it is great 4: get asus 670s. better cooling (much better). you only need 1 for 1080p gaming

5:like i suggested, the xfx xxx 750w is cheaper and just as good

1: Since the WD Drive is $169 I was looking at the Seagate 3TB drives and found this for the same price: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 Thoughts?

EVGA: http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=02G-P4-2678-KR&family=GeForce%20600%20Series%20Family&sw

the 670 draws around 180w at full load with a large overclock

750w is for the entire system + 2 gpus. its more than enough do you really need that much storage? if you do, the 3tb is ok then you can download the evga program for the asus cards. they all work. i dont know why you would pay evga for 10c higher temps

m4s are good all around but the chronos deluxe is rated higher than the m4 in tomshardware.com's SSD recomendations. plus the chronos deluxe is using toggle nand, the best stuff on the consumer market

750w is for the entire system + 2 gpus. its more than enough do you really need that much storage? if you do, the 3tb is ok then you can download the evga program for the asus cards. they all work. i dont know why you would pay evga for 10c higher temps

m4s are good all around but the chronos deluxe is rated higher than the m4 in tomshardware.com's SSD recomendations. plus the chronos deluxe is using toggle nand, the best stuff on the consumer market

This is what I am going with: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dvl5

Thanks for your help you are an amazing person

are you serious? the xfx xxx 750w is modular. only the 24pin, a 4+4 pin, a 8 pin CPU, and 2 6+2pin PCI-E power plugs are attached. all you need to do is add a sata plug and you are good to go and get your system running

are you sure that you dont want your GPU to run 10 or more degrees cooler for the same price? if you dont, go ahead with the EVGA. otherwise, the asus has more to offer. keep in mind that asus are often capable of overclocking well beyond 1100mhz nicely by itself (top edition0

The TOP edition is 3 slots, so if he ever CF/SLId, he'd have space issues.

I looked at a review and it said it was triple slot.

azeem40 is right I compared the dimensions of the Asus dc2t and the Evga ftw and i have the Evga ftw which is a dual slot card. the Asus dc2t is about an inch thicker making it a triple slot card.

are you serious? the xfx xxx 750w is modular. only the 24pin, a 4+4 pin, a 8 pin CPU, and 2 6+2pin PCI-E power plugs are attached. all you need to do is add a sata plug and you are good to go and get your system running

are you sure that you dont want your GPU to run 10 or more degrees cooler for the same price? if you dont, go ahead with the EVGA. otherwise, the asus has more to offer. keep in mind that asus are often capable of overclocking well beyond 1100mhz nicely by itself (top edition0

Thanks.

I have an Evga 670 ftw and it works great it is about the same preformance of a 680 uses less power and has a full length pcb for better cooling. I haven't overclocked yet but is factory overclocked don't know much it can go. I actually can't see why too much overclocking would be needed since one is pretty good two is a bit on the overkill side for me at least,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121638

It won't let me view the product because its on newegg.com and it automatically redirects me to the homepage for newegg.ca

I have an Evga 670 ftw and it works great it is about the same preformance of a 680 uses less power and has a full length pcb for better cooling. I haven't overclocked yet but is factory overclocked don't know much it can go. I actually can't see why too much overclocking would be needed since one is pretty good two is a bit on the overkill side for me at least,

Yeah the 670 is amazing, especially when you start doing SLI. Two ways SLI the performance is doubled and three way its tripled you can get 200FPS on the highest settings at 1080p in BF3.

the Asus DC2T has been out of stock for several weeks execept for some small numbers everyone else is jacking the price up to $500 that I have seen.

edit:Yeah i wish i had the money to that kind of level of graphics but i will stick to one grapchics card for now.

the Asus DC2T has been out of stock for several weeks execept for some small numbers everyone else is jacking the price up to $500 that I have seen.

edit:Yeah i wish i had the money to that kind of level of graphics but i will stick to one grapchics card for now.

And one GTX 670 still gives you amazing performance.

Like i said good luck finding an Asus DC2T at a good price. I read a couple reviews on it when i was building my new computer and some said the card was at such a heavy overclock sometimes it came unstable?

Like i said good luck finding an Asus DC2T at a good price. I read a couple reviews on it when i was building my new computer and some said the card was at such a heavy overclock sometimes it came unstable?

I am really on the line here with EVGA and ASUS but even though it has higher temperatures which is not a big deal I don't mind a little bit higher temperatures I would rather have an out of the box stable card than a card that has a high change of not even working...

if you really want power there is a 2.5 slot card
zotac gtx 670 amp edition newegg does not sell it 1098mhz base clock 1176mhz boost clock

It is more powerful than Asus although they say the fan is a bit louder if it matters.

if you really want power there is a 2.5 slot card
zotac gtx 670 amp edition newegg does not sell it 1098mhz base clock 1176mhz boost clock

It is more powerful than Asus although they say the fan is a bit louder if it matters.

Thanks. But I think I am just going to go with the EVGA GTX 670 FTW because the ASUS card can be unstable and that card is double what the ASUS has. But man that really is power :O

the asus top edition is having problems with its v-bios. asus sent a fix. im guessing they arent avaliable since asus is stalling so that they can fix the problem and then send the cards out you could get the regular asus 670 and the cooler would still beat the ftw. its up to you to decide though the amp edition isnt all that great since there isnt too much OC headroom left on that card

you can read all about toms 670 roundup if you would like

the asus top edition is having problems with its v-bios. asus sent a fix. im guessing they arent avaliable since asus is stalling so that they can fix the problem and then send the cards out you could get the regular asus 670 and the cooler would still beat the ftw. its up to you to decide though the amp edition isnt all that great since there isnt too much OC headroom left on that card

you can read all about toms 670 roundup if you would like

That would be interesting yeah thanks

@azeem40: toms reviewed it and it was a dual slot.

in canada, we have a galaxy gs gtx670 and it is basically identical to the ftw but we can get it for cheaper (usually around 399.99 although ive seen it sell for 379.99 after MIR)

@azeem40: toms reviewed it and it was a dual slot.

in canada, we have a galaxy gs gtx670 and it is basically identical to the ftw but we can get it for cheaper (usually around 399.99 although ive seen it sell for 379.99 after MIR)

But I am looking at the GALAXY one right now...

I live about an hour away from you xD

But I am looking at the GALAXY one right now...

i was kinda talking to Flizzelz but still works. you can probably go to ncix warehouse sales. they sell open box stuff but they test everything out before re-selling stuff. you can probably get a gtx670 open box for like 250 dollars or so. they do one once in a while. all you need to do is drive for 2.5hrs....

I'm a Buffalo NY'r and often in Toronto... it pains me to say that the Canada side of Niagara Falls is better than the US side.... you hosers..

American Falls:

wait what? your in toronto?

it was over on saturday...

i would have went since my parents are asian and they dont really like to go out

i was kinda talking to Flizzelz but still works. you can probably go to ncix warehouse sales. they sell open box stuff but they test everything out before re-selling stuff. you can probably get a gtx670 open box for like 250 dollars or so. they do one once in a while. all you need to do is drive for 2.5hrs....

Also, could you please link to to the galaxy website I can't find it everything I search for galaxy it comes up with the phone and GPU reviews but no websites

so true...

and let's not talk about healthcare...

and other 'somewhat' legal efforts you have up there. anyway, back on topic...

my apologies..

you can do the following: stay up till 11 on Wednesdays and wait for ncix to post their new sale. they once sold a ftw for 339.99 and was sold out in 10mins or less sign up for their newsletters and they have a weekend sale. they were selling a galaxy 670 for 379.99 after MIR.

the bad thing about Ontario is that they charge you 13% tax....

you can do the following: stay up till 11 on Wednesdays and wait for ncix to post their new sale. they once sold a ftw for 339.99 and was sold out in 10mins or less sign up for their newsletters and they have a weekend sale. they were selling a galaxy 670 for 379.99 after MIR.

the bad thing about Ontario is that they charge you 13% tax....

I didn't even think about tax :O this computer is going to cost like $2500... -_-

if you are lucky that day, asian people in the store can get you big discounts since you are buying a ton of stuff that day

The seems that the EVGA GTX 670 FTW has a higher boost clock and same core clock, but only one fan where the Galaxy one is about 40 lower on the boost clock but has 2 fans...

theres 2 versions. look at the one i provided. its identical to the evga

boost clock is highly variable. dont even bother looking at it

theres 2 versions. look at the one i provided. its identical to the evga

boost clock is highly variable. dont even bother looking at it

What is the boost clock anyway?

its like intel turbo boost. the GPU automatically overclocks itself when there is thermal headroom (ex. low temps=higher boost) generally, open air coolers like the asus or the gigabyte can hit higher boost clocks than closed coolers like the evga or the galaxy gc

the gigabyte card is also worth looking at. not that hard to overclock anyways

The Phanteks has better performance, 5 times the warranty and is a helluva lot better looking....but like the Noc, it's $80......

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/phanteks_ph_tc14pe_cpu_cooler_review,14.html

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.959049

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233199

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/buy-ssd-recommendation,3255-6.html

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226226

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121638

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-670-sc-review/23

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-directcu-ii-top-review/23

NZXT 810 - 8.8 rating http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=868&Itemid=61&limit=1&limitstart=5

While I'm fine with twin stock 670's on a 750 watter, with factory OC'd GPU's that I assume you are gonna OC further, I'd move to the HX850

its like intel turbo boost. the GPU automatically overclocks itself when there is thermal headroom (ex. low temps=higher boost) generally, open air coolers like the asus or the gigabyte can hit higher boost clocks than closed coolers like the evga or the galaxy gc

the gigabyte card is also worth looking at. not that hard to overclock anyways

So... many... choices...

its like intel turbo boost. the GPU automatically overclocks itself when there is thermal headroom (ex. low temps=higher boost) generally, open air coolers like the asus or the gigabyte can hit higher boost clocks than closed coolers like the evga or the galaxy gc

the gigabyte card is also worth looking at. not that hard to overclock anyways

I am not sure about OC my graphics card because I probably shouldn't need to anyway since I am doing a 2-way SLI with the 670 but it would also void the warrenty and I don't want to spend another $500 on a card because I made one little mistake and wanted it a little faster.

The Phanteks has better performance, 5 times the warranty and is a helluva lot better looking....but like the Noc, it's $80......

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/phanteks_ph_tc14pe_cpu_cooler_review,14.html

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.959049

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Profile-PC3-12800-CML8GX3M2A1600C9W/dp/B005DKZK84/ref=sr_1_45?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1343772119&sr=1-45&keywords=Corsair+DDR3-1600+2+x+4GB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121638

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-670-sc-review/23

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-directcu-ii-top-review/23

NZXT 810 - 8.8 rating http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=868&Itemid=61&limit=1&limitstart=5

While I'm fine with twin stock 670's on a 750 watter, with factory OC'd GPU's that I assume you are gonna OC further, I'd move to the HX850

I am not planning on OCing my GPU any more than it already is now for reasons specified above this post, but I was thinking of going to a 850 just for a little headroom if I do want to OC my GPU or something. I am definitely going to be OCing my CPU to over 4GHz.

While I'm fine with twin stock 670's on a 750 watter, with factory OC'd GPU's that I assume you are gonna OC further, I'd move to the HX850

you do know that at full load, the 670 draws like 160w without overclock and around 180-200w with a large overclock right? when did a ivy bridge eat 130w?

I have to go for a bit, be back to chat some more about this in a few hours.

I am not sure about OC my graphics card because I probably shouldn't need to anyway since I am doing a 2-way SLI with the 670 but it would also void the warrenty and I don't want to spend another $500 on a card because I made one little mistake and wanted it a little faster.

the manufacturers kinda encourage it. you cant overvolt a 670 anyways so i dont see any chance of you frying your card. all you can probably do is increase the power target (for more power but same voltage), increase the clockspeed and the memory speed.

you do know that at full load, the 670 draws like 160w without overclock and around 180-200w with a large overclock right? when did a ivy bridge eat 130w?

the manufacturers kinda encourage it. you cant overvolt a 670 anyways so i dont see any chance of you frying your card. all you can probably do is increase the power target (for more power but same voltage), increase the clockspeed and the memory speed.

Well that's good to know, but I still probably won't do it anyway until my computer starts to need more power to play newer and better games which probably won't happen for a while.

i dont see why someone would ever reach 4.7ghz on ivy bridge (unless they have great water cooling). same with 10 fans

i do get your point though. if i am drawing that much power or overclocking the hell out of my 3570k, obviously id get a 850w. realistically, no normal task other than benchmarks/stress tests make things run at 100% so in theory, a 750w is enough for 99% of the people looking for a 2x 28nm + 22nm GPU and CPU combination

How much do you honestly think this whole parts list will change in the next 5 months?

Also, this is the PC so far, anything else I shall consider looking into, I think for now I will stick with the EVGA 670s but I will look into something else if something else does come out in the next 5 months or so until I am actually able to buy/build my computer.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dvl5

Do I need a sound card for sound? Because I have a headset and I just plug that in with a USB and then I also have a monitor (obviously) which gives sound out of that through the HDMI cord, so what is the purpose of a sound card. Or if I want to have any sound at all do I need a sound card.

I should also probably get a wireless adapter I think it is called since I won't be right next to an Ethernet cable...

Imo, OP would be better with an i5. But, thats just me.

I need to buy a laptop/ultrabook, preferably the ultrabook because of its faster performance from the SSD, that costs around $700-900. I was looking at the Samsung 5 series 14" "ultrabook" but was wondering if there is another laptop/ultrabook that is better for the price. I need this by September so I wont be needing it for some time. I will NOT be buying this online but at a bestbuy. NO MACS Preferable Specs: CPU: Intel i5/i7 (2nd or 3rd gen. doesnt really matter) GPU: Dedicated GPU is not necessary but would be a nice feature Optical Drive: Depends on the laptop Screen: 13"-15" WXGA 1366 x 768 at the minimum (1600x900 would be better, especially if its 14" or 15") RAM: At least 4 GB Company: Samsung, HP, Dell, or Asus

I know that new computers will be coming out before September but I want to have a backup choice in case they arent what I want. I am willing to get a Samsung or Asus laptop/ultrabook if its over $1000.

Thanks. I was looking at the macbook pro but some people said just get an air because the performance is similar and the price is cheaper.

Thanks. I was looking at the macbook pro but some people said just get an air because the performance is similar and the price is cheaper.

Yeah I didnt really have any intention of buying a mac unless the price I was paying justified the cost. Not that the price of ultrabooks are any better but at least I'm not paying $1000+ dollars for a brand name

looking at best buy's website, I didn't see any laptop there under $1100 with better thsan a 1368x768 screen, which is horrid.

Yeah and I think only the Asus ux31 had a full hd screen but it has a horrible keyboard

Yeah and I think only the Asus ux31 had a full hd screen but it has a horrible keyboard

A 1600x900 will look better on a 15" than a 1366x768. Resolution doesnt matter too much at 13" because 720p is pretty decent at that size. Anything above 13" should have at least 1600x900 imo

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dzcK Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dzcK/by_merchant/ Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dzcK/benchmarks/ CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($83.74 @ Mwave) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($169.98 @ NCIX US) Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($40.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($77.99 @ NCIX US) Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Newegg) Case: Corsair 600T White Graphite ATX Mid Tower Case ($159.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: XFX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($135.71 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($88.73 @ Amazon) Total: $1465.09 (Prices include shipping and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-08-01 07:01 EDT-0400)

Here is a good Gaming build. As you can see, the price is way below your budget. Start with that, and once you fill out the form, we can edit it as we see fit for your needs.

Actually your build at the moment is very nice

I'm not sure how much things cost over there, but I would recommend G.Skill Ripjaws X 1600Mhz RAM. (May be a little overkill). If that's a little too expensive, 1333Mhz RAM from a reputable company will do absolutely fine

Actually your build at the moment is very nice

I'm not sure how much things cost over there, but I would recommend G.Skill Ripjaws X 1600Mhz RAM. (May be a little overkill). If that's a little too expensive, 1333Mhz RAM from a reputable company will do absolutely fine

Actually your build at the moment is very nice

I'm not sure how much things cost over there, but I would recommend G.Skill Ripjaws X 1600Mhz RAM. (May be a little overkill). If that's a little too expensive, 1333Mhz RAM from a reputable company will do absolutely fine

Your current PSU is fine, it'll be able to power your components without any trouble.

Alright, thanks Ill get G.Skill RipJaws X 1333. (2x4GB)

Alright, thanks Ill get G.Skill RipJaws X 1333. (2x4GB)
On the PSU, which one has better quality? Antec or Seasonic?

They're both amazing PSU brands, you can't go wrong with either one.

They're both amazing PSU brands, you can't go wrong with either one.

Best answer selected by JR55.

Okay, thanks! Will be ordering soon

You're very welcome

For gaming, get an i5-3570k. Games don't benefit from hyper-threading. The HAF X is not needed unless you go for a custom water loop. It's younger brother, the HAF XM is more than enough.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/cNFM

It is basically the same. And yes, not worth it at all.

Go for i5, Hyper EVO cooler, Extreme4 mobo. Use saved money for a 670, there's no such thing as 670 Ti.

Go for i5, Hyper EVO cooler, Extreme4 mobo. Use saved money for a 670, there's no such thing as 670 Ti.

Ok, Ill go for the 3570K.I'll still get D14, I need the lowest possible temps outside liquid cooling.Why not the Extreme 6, is the 4 better?

I just looked up the 4 on newegg, why is the 4 measured at 12x8.6 ?Will this be a problem?

Ok, I updated my build.Is there anything I should change?I want to keep the D14 and the Haf X because of the heat in my house.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/d0O6

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-07-25 19:52 EDT-0400)

One thing: Full Towers aren't needed unless you WC.

One thing: Full Towers aren't needed unless you WC.

Now I'm in another pickle.I made a mistake and looked at more cases.I am now trying to pick between the Haf X, the Raven RV03 and the Antec Dark Fleet DF-85.Which is the best for airflow, and which has the best features?

I need the better airflow, the XM also doesn't have a side fan.

Looking at that list again, the DF-85 has some of the lowest temperatures on both CPU and GPU.Are there any strong cons against it?